No TM1 workFlow in 10.2

[Tm1andTm1]

Hi,

Have anyone started working on TM1 10.2.
I hear that there TM1 workflow is not there.

[moby91]

TM1 10.2 does not support TM1 Workflow, formerly known as Applix Planning Manager, see the IBM Technotes on supported environments ending with TM1 10.1 and TM1 10.1.1 ->


http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.w ... wg27024015
Supported Environments Ending with Cognos TM1 10.1

Operating Systems (Servers)
- Sun Solaris Sparc
- Microsoft Windows 2003

Databases
- Oracle 9i

Web Browsers
- IE6
- Firefox 3.5

Applications
- TM1 Workflow

Cognos BI
- TM1Portlets


http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.w ... wg27027501
Supported environments ending with Cognos TM1 10.1.1

Components
- Advanced Rules Editor in TM1 Architect and TM1 Perspectives

Utilities
- TM1Top

[Tm1andTm1]

Thanks for the information.

I am sure they will start supporting TM1 workflow in 10.3 release...
Because there is no future of TM1 without workflow. Ultimately it will end up as Cognos EP is closed.

[declanr]

Thanks for the information.

I am sure they will start supporting TM1 workflow in 10.3 release...
Because there is no future of TM1 without workflow. Ultimately it will end up as Cognos EP is closed.

I think you may be unaware of what TM1 Workflow is... it has been known it's on it's way out for a long time and IMHO even when it was in it's prime it didn't really offer a great deal of benefit. TM1 Applications (formerly contributor) offers workflow style applications that are similar to those offered in EP. And a competent developer can create custom workflows just using TM1 Security Cubes & a few TI processes (preferably with some nice websheets.)

TM1 definitely has a future without TM1 Workflow, despite it having been supported for a few version prior it was very rarely being used in new applications and a lot of the historic ones that used it were rebuilt to migrate away from it.



Edit - I remembered there was a topic on this recently, which I see you were involved in so I apologise as that would suggest you do know what TM1 Workflow is but just to remind you see http://www.tm1forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9249

[stephen waters]

I am sure they will start supporting TM1 workflow in 10.3 release...
Because there is no future of TM1 without workflow. Ultimately it will end up as Cognos EP is closed.

TM1 survived very sucessfully for many years with very few implementations of the legacy TM1 workflow. Workflow functionality was built in to other applications ( eg CP, OFA etc) because they were physically moving around files and, if you didn't know whether data had been submitted, the numbers were wrong. In our experience ( and those of other partners I talked to) because of TM1's centralised server this was often not required. When workflow was needed (eg high numbers of inputters) we found it better to implement our own.

The new, Applications workflow, in the latest versions of TM1 (9.5 onwards) is designed to make legacy CP users happy and is nice in demos. Given the new off-line and distributed modes available it is probably going to be more useful as well, particularly with high numbers of contributors.

We have been expecting the legacy workflow to disappear ever since 9.5 Contributor was released and it should not be a surprise to you that it is going. Please don't continue to give forum users the impression that TM1 will not have workflow.

[Tm1andTm1]

Hi read you reply.
If you have answers to the below mentioned questions. There will be no argument on this.

1) How Applix TM1 a single tool giving tough completion to all Cognos products.
2) Why Applix TM1 was most preferred tool for Planning and budgeting(Before Purchased by Cognos)
3) Why Cognos Purchased Applix TM1
4) Why user do not use EP application even after spending so much on project.
5) Why Cognos EP now out of market.

[David Usherwood]

What a strange list! (Though I think 'completion' should read 'competition').
Quite a few of the questions are for IBM - good luck.
Reading between the lines, you are probably a longtime TM1 fanboi (so am I) who isn't happy with how IBM are treating the product (<lips sealed>). Products do change, many of the under the hood features in recent versions are really worthwhile, PM is not everybody's cup of quicksand but it'll help to pull the EP-ers in, TM1 is central to IBM's PM strategy. So overall, I'd say things are looking pretty good for the TM1 community.
(Hunkers down and waits for counterblasts...)

[stephen waters]

Hi read you reply.If you have answers to the below mentioned questions. There will be no argument on this.

What do those questions have to do with the legacy TM1 workflow?

Perhaps you can tell the forum what you are doing with the legacy workflow and why the new Application ( aka Contributor) based workflow will not achieve it? If so you may get some suggestions.


If I have a long, empty evening I may get round to answering your questions from a historical perspective!

[qml]

If I have a long, empty evening I may get round to answering your questions from a historical perspective!

I almost want to wish you a long and empty evening now, just to be able to read your 'historical perspective', Stephen.

[Tm1andTm1]

Stephen,
Microsoft took more than 20 years to build Excel application and still developing. Think how much time will IBM take to add similar features in Contributor application.
by that time other competitive product which are excel based will take over the market. IBM will left with only Contributor, which most of the finance people does even want to look over it.

Contributor have some features which workflow does not have in built, but can be achieve with manipulation. Being a functional and technical consultant I do involve in pre sales, I never show Contributor just because, user never show interest in Contributor, rather ask if these things can be done in excel.

I think you have not seen workflow properly, I want to show you workflow application if I get chance, I promise you will never look at Contributor once you see the workflow application and the features we can display using excel functions.

Excel is such a kind of tool which can leverage the entire planning,budgeting reporting application, if done properly. It become more and more tremendous when integrated with TM1.

[Tm1andTm1]

If Contributor is better application......Cognos EP had never failed

[declanr]

TM1andTM1,

This is an interesting view, however I would present the fact that TM1 workflow as a product didn't provide anything that a good developer (maybe not even good but a competent one with the ability to use google) couldn't acheive using perspectives/TM1 Web with embedded TIs via action buttons.

You are correct that Contributor doesn't tick all the boxes currently, which is why I tend to prefer using a custom built solution through TM1 Web... but nowadays TM1 Applications (contributor) does support TM1 Web Sheets which is a big step in the right direction among a number of other significant improvements. That being said I still don't tend to use TM1 Applications as my first choice but when demo'd correctly in a presales/POC circumstance my experience is that customers are very interested in it, often too much so!

And on another note I would be surprised if Stephen hadn't seen TM1 Workflow with all the bells and whistles attached. IBM make a number of mistakes, I am the first to agree to that but removing support for TM1 Workflow and moving towards TM1 Applications was absolutely the correct decision.

[Tm1andTm1]

Declan,

You might be having better exposure than me on TM1, but decision on not supporting workflow never convinced me. Will see in coming years how things move.
In my view following footprints of flop tool will end up with the same destiny. We are consultants only, we can switch to other products if things does not move in right direction.
Its IBM Baby they should take care and develop in right direction.

IBM should have concentrate on development of TM1 features rather than imposing functionality of EP, which is already not accepted widely.